Angela wrote:He might have been a hero to people he helped when he was alive, and especially to his young daughter, but he was not a martyr in any stretch of the imagination. This is the central thesis of Candace Owens' video (that went viral) where she argues that Floyd had a criminal past and who had a drug problem. How many heroes do you know were criminals and drug addicts?
Watch her video and understand where she is coming from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74
The Duchess wrote:The only thing that I will say is that the majority of people are not protesting because he was an outstanding citizen but because this was plain cold murder and it was inexcusable. No policeman should be putting their knee on a suspect's neck for any reason, that is not the way you handle a suspect. He had 9 minutes and a man, hero or not, begging for his mother to decide that 4 policemen could handle him without murdering him.
His record is irrelevant, his past is irrelevant. It became irrelevant the moment a policeman with a record of police brutality and linked to several fatal shootings put a knee on his neck for 9 minutes.
That's all I'm going to say because you obviously have your opinion, but I do want to make it clear that releasing the bodycams or that constantly are "missing" in most situations like this or George's record will do nothing to help the policemen.
XAMURAI wrote:I don't think he is a hero but he is more of a symbol of police brutality and his murder became a catalyst of exposing what has been really going on to the poor black people in America. I can't say the same thing to the rich black Americans because they live totally different lives. Some were able to get through the stigma of being black, rose above it and succeeded. While some, unfortunately, remained helpless and poor. George belongs to the latter.
Mona Lisa wrote:He is a victim of police brutality in which his death triggers awakening and worldwide rallies, thus, somewhat makes him a hero.
ElsaHimala wrote:HERO is someone who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities. ... A hero is someone who does something we couldn't do, don't want to do, or don't think we could possibly do.
The lockdown due to COVID 19 is not exaggerated as you think. I worked in one of the busiest hospitals in NYC during the first 2 weeks of the surge. We were demoralized taking care of patients that flocks in the ICU and half of them are dying in your shift with no relatives at bedside. The saddest thing is, when 3 of your coworker died of covid. How I wish the lockdown was done 2 weeks earlier. For Mr. Floyd, he is not a Hero but a victim of a never ending racism in American culture. The last 8 minutes and 6 seconds of his life that was captured in video is a proof, of how is life in America if you're not white. He's one of the many who died in the same fate in the arms of the people who are trusted to protect him.
sophocles wrote:Everyone agrees that no policeman should be putting their knee on anyone's neck. I said that much in my post, can't you read? The policemen involved should face long jail time. In fact they are already in jail. Since we all agree that it was wrong, what are the riots, the looting, the maulings of old ladies and law enforcers - what are they all about? Four black cops have been murdered by looters since the mayhem started. Who mourns for them? The mainstream media do not even mention their names.
Of course, Floyd's record is relevant. Since he was under the influence of Fentanyl and Meth, did he resist arrest which led the police to restrain him? Is it possible that someone who could point a gun at a pregnant woman's stomach to rob her - a PREGNANT woman!!! - could also disrespect the authority of law enforcers? Will they mention that in Floyd's memorial?
The body cams are available and they should be released - not to help the policemen, but to expose lies being spread by the race mongers, the Antifa sympathizers, and the Black Lives Matter fanatics who now want to defund the police and abolish all prisons. That's right, defund the police. And abolish all prisons. So they can loot and beat more people with impunity. If that is a good move, why don't you try that in San Juan, Puerto Rico?
So, please do not deflect the discussion by saying that this is about police brutality or racism. If you can't condemn the violence, arson, looting, the racism committed by rioters (they are not protesters), you really need to read more than just about beauty pageants.The Duchess wrote:The only thing that I will say is that the majority of people are not protesting because he was an outstanding citizen but because this was plain cold murder and it was inexcusable. No policeman should be putting their knee on a suspect's neck for any reason, that is not the way you handle a suspect. He had 9 minutes and a man, hero or not, begging for his mother to decide that 4 policemen could handle him without murdering him.
His record is irrelevant, his past is irrelevant. It became irrelevant the moment a policeman with a record of police brutality and linked to several fatal shootings put a knee on his neck for 9 minutes.
That's all I'm going to say because you obviously have your opinion, but I do want to make it clear that releasing the bodycams or that constantly are "missing" in most situations like this or George's record will do nothing to help the policemen.
sophocles wrote:Duchess, hija, checking if you're literate is not "attitude". Your response just made me wonder if in fact, you could read. Besides, you're excusing the looting, arson, the murder of 4 cops on the ground that people are "angry". OK. I'm angry, too. May I loot your house, and burn it down if I don't like your evening gowns?
If the U.S. is such a horrible, racist country, why are Puerto Ricans dying to be a admitted as the 51st state of the U.S.? Why do you want to be associated with racists who have oppressed people for... in your words..."freaking centuries". I have to quote you because "freaking" is not a word I use in normal discourse.
When Puerto Rico had a referendum last 2017, half a million voted for statehood, and a measly 7,800 voted for independence. You must be so desperately in love with "racists" in the mainland. So stop excusing the looting.
Did you even know that the U.S. is the only country on earth to fight a civil war to end slavery? More than 600,00 men died in that civil war. Surely, that sacrifice is more defining than the crime committed by four cops.
cabra_chupa wrote:obviously this thread is a trap! dont argue with this stupid ts trump supporter! PS he was never a hero to me in the first place, but justice must be served for what the police officer did to this guy! jailtime for the rest of his life thats what he deserve
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