beautywatchnyc wrote:
Chavit is no fool. There's no promise of sustainable returns in that venture, it's a losing proposition.
esperasave wrote:Back to Trump.
esperasave wrote:Miss Universe is an American brand which nobody should claim it except if you are an American born Businessman. Miss Universe is not the only pageant that they need to purchase, it's a package deal that they need to buy Miss USA and Miss Teen USA too because they are the same umbrella within the same organization.
beautywatchnyc wrote:esperasave wrote:Miss Universe is an American brand which nobody should claim it except if you are an American born Businessman. Miss Universe is not the only pageant that they need to purchase, it's a package deal that they need to buy Miss USA and Miss Teen USA too because they are the same umbrella within the same organization.
In the same manner that Ms International was before ownership changed hands and stayed with Japan since many years back. Ms U, Ms Teen, Ms USA as entertainment program failed to garner break-away ratings in mainstream America. I have no clue if losing propositions like these pageants will stay in US ownership in the mainland or might even be offered to foreign takeover in the immediate term?
esperasave wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:esperasave wrote:Miss Universe is an American brand which nobody should claim it except if you are an American born Businessman. Miss Universe is not the only pageant that they need to purchase, it's a package deal that they need to buy Miss USA and Miss Teen USA too because they are the same umbrella within the same organization.
In the same manner that Ms International was before ownership changed hands and stayed with Japan since many years back. Ms U, Ms Teen, Ms USA as entertainment program failed to garner break-away ratings in mainstream America. I have no clue if losing propositions like these pageants will stay in US ownership in the mainland or might even be offered to foreign takeover in the immediate term?
But Miss International is one only brand as compared to Miss Universe Organization, which everybody knows has Miss USA and Miss Teen USA as well.
sephie wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
Chavit is no fool. There's no promise of sustainable returns in that venture, it's a losing proposition.
Yes true but it is a good front for all the illegal businesses
sephie wrote:Who owns MUO prior to Trump?
beautywatchnyc wrote:esperasave wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:esperasave wrote:Miss Universe is an American brand which nobody should claim it except if you are an American born Businessman. Miss Universe is not the only pageant that they need to purchase, it's a package deal that they need to buy Miss USA and Miss Teen USA too because they are the same umbrella within the same organization.
In the same manner that Ms International was before ownership changed hands and stayed with Japan since many years back. Ms U, Ms Teen, Ms USA as entertainment program failed to garner break-away ratings in mainstream America. I have no clue if losing propositions like these pageants will stay in US ownership in the mainland or might even be offered to foreign takeover in the immediate term?
But Miss International is one only brand as compared to Miss Universe Organization, which everybody knows has Miss USA and Miss Teen USA as well.
It doesn't make good business sense should MsU, Ms Teen and Ms USA continue to latch to a non-revenue losing proposition and earn zero in the process? Many large US companies are outsourced as we speak and in the current recessionary gaps, what business-minded person will continue to absorb the loses when no revenues are forthcoming? How are they going to pay for staff and recover from their huge losses? Except by selling, and the targeted buyer may actually be from overseas, not within the mainland. Beauty pageants in America have lost their spark, as it is in the European continent, as if they become stale, hence, unusable!
esperasave wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:esperasave wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:esperasave wrote:Miss Universe is an American brand which nobody should claim it except if you are an American born Businessman. Miss Universe is not the only pageant that they need to purchase, it's a package deal that they need to buy Miss USA and Miss Teen USA too because they are the same umbrella within the same organization.
In the same manner that Ms International was before ownership changed hands and stayed with Japan since many years back. Ms U, Ms Teen, Ms USA as entertainment program failed to garner break-away ratings in mainstream America. I have no clue if losing propositions like these pageants will stay in US ownership in the mainland or might even be offered to foreign takeover in the immediate term?
But Miss International is one only brand as compared to Miss Universe Organization, which everybody knows has Miss USA and Miss Teen USA as well.
It doesn't make good business sense should MsU, Ms Teen and Ms USA continue to latch to a non-revenue losing proposition and earn zero in the process? Many large US companies are outsourced as we speak and in the current recessionary gaps, what business-minded person will continue to absorb the loses when no revenues are forthcoming? How are they going to pay for staff and recover from their huge losses? Except by selling, and the targeted buyer may actually be from overseas, not within the mainland. Beauty pageants in America have lost their spark, as it is in the European continent, as if they become stale, hence, unusable!
I can see and feel your lamentations but it can't be in the hands of a foreigner because of it's brand. They can be part of the productions but there's no way that it will be to another nationality.
elio wrote:INTERESTING,BUT I WISH THEY CONTINUE WITH BEAUTY/BRAIN COMBO ,BECACUSE BEAUTY ALONE IS IRRELEVANT THESE DAYS.
SURPRISING IF IT A COST PROBLEM WHAT ABOUT A 5 MILLION DOLLAR CROWN OF MOUAWAD?
Elle wrote:I feel like the only reason this is losing money is because their costs are more expensive than what they have to be solely because it's based in America.
I bet you the stage and production of Miss Universe 2019 was probably 5x more than what it cost Miss World or Miss Supranational.
If a company from the Latin America, Philippines or Thailand will buy Miss Universe, I think it'll continue to survive and be more profitable.
elio wrote:INTERESTING,BUT I WISH THEY CONTINUE WITH BEAUTY/BRAIN COMBO ,BECACUSE BEAUTY ALONE IS IRRELEVANT THESE DAYS.
SURPRISING IF IT A COST PROBLEM WHAT ABOUT A 5 MILLION DOLLAR CROWN OF MOUAWAD?
venice wrote:elio wrote:INTERESTING,BUT I WISH THEY CONTINUE WITH BEAUTY/BRAIN COMBO ,BECACUSE BEAUTY ALONE IS IRRELEVANT THESE DAYS.
SURPRISING IF IT A COST PROBLEM WHAT ABOUT A 5 MILLION DOLLAR CROWN OF MOUAWAD?
You actually believe that crown is worth $5 million?
I bet you believe this swimsuit was worth $1 million too.
Miss Mirchi wrote:I don't understand why you guys hate IMG so much!
Miss Universe under IMG is way more fair than before!
2 Asian winners, 2 African winners, 1 European winner.. we've never seen that much diversity of winners ever!
Sash factor went down.. countries like Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia which used to get ignored under Trump era, all started placing high. Even smaller Latin American countries started performing better rather than just power houses.
I agree.. the production of Miss Universe 2019 was a mess. But except, 2019, rest 4 editions under IMG had great production!
So what else do you want??
No matter which company owns MUO, there's always going to be something lacking. At least with IMG, many countries finally have a real shot at placing high at Miss Universe.
I know IMG may have to sell MUO because of the financial troubles. But the moment a new owner comes in.. pageant fans will start missing IMG
The Duchess wrote:Miss Mirchi wrote:I don't understand why you guys hate IMG so much!
Miss Universe under IMG is way more fair than before!
2 Asian winners, 2 African winners, 1 European winner.. we've never seen that much diversity of winners ever!
Sash factor went down.. countries like Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia which used to get ignored under Trump era, all started placing high. Even smaller Latin American countries started performing better rather than just power houses.
I agree.. the production of Miss Universe 2019 was a mess. But except, 2019, rest 4 editions under IMG had great production!
So what else do you want??
No matter which company owns MUO, there's always going to be something lacking. At least with IMG, many countries finally have a real shot at placing high at Miss Universe.
I know IMG may have to sell MUO because of the financial troubles. But the moment a new owner comes in.. pageant fans will start missing IMG
I will wait until my review of the disaster of last year's issues on my review but what I would say is that IMG either balances things (sash factor removal/reduction) or completely throw of balance (backstory/speaking skills vs beauty/performace, yes you can actually have all of that without putting so much emphasis on one)
The Duchess wrote:venice wrote:elio wrote:INTERESTING,BUT I WISH THEY CONTINUE WITH BEAUTY/BRAIN COMBO ,BECACUSE BEAUTY ALONE IS IRRELEVANT THESE DAYS.
SURPRISING IF IT A COST PROBLEM WHAT ABOUT A 5 MILLION DOLLAR CROWN OF MOUAWAD?
You actually believe that crown is worth $5 million?
I bet you believe this swimsuit was worth $1 million too.
Even George Wittels, an actual expert in crown making, said that what's expensive is not the design or even most of the material. He himself said the pricey part of the crown were the deep canary diamonds. He himself said that for 5M (for a pageant crown at that, which has to be worn constantly) the crown should sing, dance ect. Basically, he believes its too much money for a pageant crown. And I agree.
The problem is that they were offered Canary Diamonds (the one in the center is almost 63 carats), 18K Gold and almost 2,000 diamonds and they just saw the design and explanation without really thinking if I pageant crown should be that expensive. I don't even wanna know how much they are being charged for the other two crowns.
Same problem with the swimsuit, it looks cheap as hell but it's not crazy to imagine a 1M dollar pricetag when you see that they probably used real stones. Many people do that, they take meh designs and bedazzle the shit out of them (in this case with 2,000 carats worth of stones) with expensive jewels to hike up the price.
I would have NEVER made that deal, it makes no economical sense to buy such an expensive crown that ideally would be worn in every appearance and its prone to break. Hell, you think anyone would feel safe walking around with such an expensive and publicized item?
Miss Mirchi wrote:I don't understand why you guys hate IMG so much!
Miss Universe under IMG is way more fair than before!
2 Asian winners, 2 African winners, 1 European winner.. we've never seen that much diversity of winners ever!
Sash factor went down.. countries like Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia which used to get ignored under Trump era, all started placing high. Even smaller Latin American countries started performing better rather than just power houses.
I agree.. the production of Miss Universe 2019 was a mess. But except, 2019, rest 4 editions under IMG had great production!
So what else do you want??
No matter which company owns MUO, there's always going to be something lacking. At least with IMG, many countries finally have a real shot at placing high at Miss Universe.
I know IMG may have to sell MUO because of the financial troubles. But the moment a new owner comes in.. pageant fans will start missing IMG
Miss Mirchi wrote:The Duchess wrote:Miss Mirchi wrote:I don't understand why you guys hate IMG so much!
Miss Universe under IMG is way more fair than before!
2 Asian winners, 2 African winners, 1 European winner.. we've never seen that much diversity of winners ever!
Sash factor went down.. countries like Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia which used to get ignored under Trump era, all started placing high. Even smaller Latin American countries started performing better rather than just power houses.
I agree.. the production of Miss Universe 2019 was a mess. But except, 2019, rest 4 editions under IMG had great production!
So what else do you want??
No matter which company owns MUO, there's always going to be something lacking. At least with IMG, many countries finally have a real shot at placing high at Miss Universe.
I know IMG may have to sell MUO because of the financial troubles. But the moment a new owner comes in.. pageant fans will start missing IMG
I will wait until my review of the disaster of last year's issues on my review but what I would say is that IMG either balances things (sash factor removal/reduction) or completely throw of balance (backstory/speaking skills vs beauty/performace, yes you can actually have all of that without putting so much emphasis on one)
And focusing on speaking skills is bad? Do you really think.. in a time when VS Fashion was canceled and was thrown off air, a pageant can survive with just focusing on the beauty? Just for the record, ratings of Miss Universe 2019 were still higher than last VS Fashion show.
Of course they have to evolve with time and right now, having a Trump era like pageant could be suicidal for them.
This year's stage was an innovative concept. People who work in fashion industry will tell you how mirtor walls and back lights are a huge trend in fashion shows. They tried to make the stage minimalistic and chic.. and although it looked great in concept.. it sucked in execution! Not to mention this edition was put together at such last minute. We don't know half the things that go on behind the scenes.
IMG has always listened to fans. And we need to appreciate that
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