Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-present)

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Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-present)

Postby ajsy0203 » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:04 am

    

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Prior to Gabriella Brum's resignation at Miss World 1980 after almost a day since she won, there were 15 German girls who made the 1st cut during the 1st 29 editions of the pageant. But after her resignation, Germany went into a 3 decade clapping streak until 2010 when they placed again at the pageant. Since the Top 25 finish at Miss World 2010 there were no German beauties have every place with the eventual withdrawal from the competition in 2019.

Do you think Gabriella Brum was the reason why Germany only placed once in the last 39 editions of the pageant? Do you think she was the one who discouraged beautiful German girls from competing at Miss World pageant although some German beauties went to place in other pageants like Iris Klien who won the Miss International 1989 or entered in modelling field like Heidi Klum?


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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby rainiel » Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:55 am

Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby Angela » Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:31 pm

rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


Miss World NEVER offered the crown to Evangeline Pascual nor offered her to perform the duties of Miss World. That was all in Evangeline's crazy head.
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby ajsy0203 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:23 am

Angela wrote:
rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


Miss World NEVER offered the crown to Evangeline Pascual nor offered her to perform the duties of Miss World. That was all in Evangeline's crazy head.


Until in 1974 that the rule of succession finally took place if winner unable to fulfill her duties. Aside from Marjorie there were few titleholders did not attend the finals the following year due to sickness yet they were not stripped of the title. Anneline Kriel was the 1st "runner up to Miss World" to inherit the title because of Helen Morgan's involvement with a popular celebrity couple's love triangle-divorce scandal (not because she is a single mom).
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby the critic » Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:12 pm

rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


HOW COULD THAT BE SEEN AS JULIA TAKING THINGS PERSONAL? SHE DIDN'T BECOME THE BOSS NOR CHIEF JUDGE UNTIL 2001.
I CAN'T THINK OF A MISS GERMANY WHO I'D SAY STOOD OUT OR WAS MISSED WHEN THEY CLAPPED SINCE 1980. GABRIELLA BRUM WAS THE LAST REAL CONTENDER FROM GERMANY BEFORE THEY BECAME THIS PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY THAT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT BEAUTY PAGEANTS ANYMORE.

EVANGELINE PASCUAL DID SAY HER DECISION NOT TO TAKE THE TITLE WAS PERSONAL BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HER FATHER ADVISED HER NOT TO TAKE ON THE DUTIES AND STAY HOME.
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby ajsy0203 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:34 am

the critic wrote:
rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


I CAN'T THINK OF A MISS GERMANY WHO I'D SAY STOOD OUT OR WAS MISSED WHEN THEY CLAPPED SINCE 1980. GABRIELLA BRUM WAS THE LAST REAL CONTENDER FROM GERMANY BEFORE THEY BECAME THIS PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY THAT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT BEAUTY PAGEANTS ANYMORE.



Possible reason but other European countries have more placements than Germany since 1981.
1st 30 editions where Germany placed 16 times but after Gabriela's resignation, Germany only placed once in 2010.
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby carlosebastienne » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:21 am

ajsy0203 wrote:Source:
http://www.oocities.org/televisioncity/9699/mcmw80.html

Since the Top 25 finish at Miss World 2010 there were no German beauties have every place with the eventual withdrawal from the competition in 2019.


Huh???
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby carlosebastienne » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:24 am

Angela wrote:
rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


Miss World NEVER offered the crown to Evangeline Pascual nor offered her to perform the duties of Miss World. That was all in Evangeline's crazy head.


False. And Evangeline Pascual never publicly spoke up about it and made any claims, so it couldn’t have been “all in her crazy head."
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby ajsy0203 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:06 am

carlosebastienne wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:Source:
http://www.oocities.org/televisioncity/9699/mcmw80.html

Since the Top 25 finish at Miss World 2010 there were no German beauties have every place with the eventual withdrawal from the competition in 2019.


Huh???


From 1981 to 2009, Germany faced the clapping streak. It ended the placement drought in 2010 where their candidate placed in the Top 25 and that was their only placement after Gabriela resigned from Miss World.
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby the critic » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:26 am

ajsy0203 wrote:
the critic wrote:
rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


I CAN'T THINK OF A MISS GERMANY WHO I'D SAY STOOD OUT OR WAS MISSED WHEN THEY CLAPPED SINCE 1980. GABRIELLA BRUM WAS THE LAST REAL CONTENDER FROM GERMANY BEFORE THEY BECAME THIS PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY THAT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT BEAUTY PAGEANTS ANYMORE.



Possible reason but other European countries have more placements than Germany since 1981.
1st 30 editions where Germany placed 16 times but after Gabriela's resignation, Germany only placed once in 2010.

AND I GUESS YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT GERMAN GIRLS WHERE BLACKLISTED SUBSEQUENTLY BECAUSE ONE GERMAN WINNER RESIGNED ABRUPTLY?
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby venice » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:06 pm

the critic wrote:
rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


HOW COULD THAT BE SEEN AS JULIA TAKING THINGS PERSONAL? SHE DIDN'T BECOME THE BOSS NOR CHIEF JUDGE UNTIL 2001.
I CAN'T THINK OF A MISS GERMANY WHO I'D SAY STOOD OUT OR WAS MISSED WHEN THEY CLAPPED SINCE 1980. GABRIELLA BRUM WAS THE LAST REAL CONTENDER FROM GERMANY BEFORE THEY BECAME THIS PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY THAT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT BEAUTY PAGEANTS ANYMORE.

EVANGELINE PASCUAL DID SAY HER DECISION NOT TO TAKE THE TITLE WAS PERSONAL BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HER FATHER ADVISED HER NOT TO TAKE ON THE DUTIES AND STAY HOME.



She must have assumed that being the first princess meant she'd be in the line of succession should the reigning Miss World not complete her reign, but during those years there was no such clause. Marjorie Wallace was the first Miss World to be dethroned so it's safe to say prior to that the organization had no plan b.

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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby ajsy0203 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:35 pm

venice wrote:
the critic wrote:
rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


HOW COULD THAT BE SEEN AS JULIA TAKING THINGS PERSONAL? SHE DIDN'T BECOME THE BOSS NOR CHIEF JUDGE UNTIL 2001.
I CAN'T THINK OF A MISS GERMANY WHO I'D SAY STOOD OUT OR WAS MISSED WHEN THEY CLAPPED SINCE 1980. GABRIELLA BRUM WAS THE LAST REAL CONTENDER FROM GERMANY BEFORE THEY BECAME THIS PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY THAT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT BEAUTY PAGEANTS ANYMORE.

EVANGELINE PASCUAL DID SAY HER DECISION NOT TO TAKE THE TITLE WAS PERSONAL BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HER FATHER ADVISED HER NOT TO TAKE ON THE DUTIES AND STAY HOME.



She must have assumed that being the first princess meant she'd be in the line of succession should the reigning Miss World not complete her reign, but during those years there was no such clause. Marjorie Wallace was the first Miss World to be dethroned so it's safe to say prior to that the organization had no plan b.

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https://rodriguezmatute.home.blog/2020/ ... orld-1973/


Not until the following year that MWO started to promote the 1st Runner Up to Miss World titleholder if the titleholder resigned or dethroned. They learned their lesson from this experience.
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby venice » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:11 am

ajsy0203 wrote:
venice wrote:
the critic wrote:
rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


HOW COULD THAT BE SEEN AS JULIA TAKING THINGS PERSONAL? SHE DIDN'T BECOME THE BOSS NOR CHIEF JUDGE UNTIL 2001.
I CAN'T THINK OF A MISS GERMANY WHO I'D SAY STOOD OUT OR WAS MISSED WHEN THEY CLAPPED SINCE 1980. GABRIELLA BRUM WAS THE LAST REAL CONTENDER FROM GERMANY BEFORE THEY BECAME THIS PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY THAT DIDN'T CARE ABOUT BEAUTY PAGEANTS ANYMORE.

EVANGELINE PASCUAL DID SAY HER DECISION NOT TO TAKE THE TITLE WAS PERSONAL BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HER FATHER ADVISED HER NOT TO TAKE ON THE DUTIES AND STAY HOME.



She must have assumed that being the first princess meant she'd be in the line of succession should the reigning Miss World not complete her reign, but during those years there was no such clause. Marjorie Wallace was the first Miss World to be dethroned so it's safe to say prior to that the organization had no plan b.

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https://rodriguezmatute.home.blog/2020/ ... orld-1973/


Not until the following year that MWO started to promote the 1st Runner Up to Miss World titleholder if the titleholder resigned or dethroned. They learned their lesson from this experience.


Yet Filipinos have actively spread a lie that she was offered the crown or offered to carry out duties and turned it down. They worked the narrative that MW was biased against Filipino queens until Megan Young won 4 decades later.

It seemed Pascual was bitter about not being offered the title for the remaining 9 months of the reign. How could her father discourage her from accepting something that was never even offered to her? @-)

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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby Angela » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:08 pm

carlosebastienne wrote:
Angela wrote:
rainiel wrote:Julia takes everything personal.
relating this to Ph, when in 1973, Evangeline Pascual refused to perform the duties offered to her, Ph never won.
2013 is different because Megan Young was Liliana's only choice for the crown and Julia cannot defy.


Miss World NEVER offered the crown to Evangeline Pascual nor offered her to perform the duties of Miss World. That was all in Evangeline's crazy head.


False. And Evangeline Pascual never publicly spoke up about it and made any claims, so it couldn’t have been “all in her crazy head."


WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE SPOKE ABOUT IT!!! It's all on video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ghVix1x1g

"Once after I was asked to take home the title but I refused because that night, that crown, think of it as a lollipop. That lollipop belongs to the Philippines and you took the lollipop and when you after tasting it, holding it, and then you didn't want it anymore you returned the lollipop so it is going to be stupid to know for the country if I did. And out of self-respect as well as us also as per the advice of my later father just stay here and continue on serving the country..."

So yeah, it was all in her crazy head. lol
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby leiamichele » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:10 am

There’d be no reason for Ms. Pascual to invent things. [-X
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Re: Case Unclosed:Germany's clapping streak at MW (1981-pres

Postby ajsy0203 » Thu May 21, 2020 3:04 am

Now focus on this Miss World 1980 issue:
https://rodriguezmatute.home.blog/2020/ ... orld-1980/

Do you still think that Germany was a "progressive country" or German beauties lacked of passion due to Gabriela's resignation caused Germany to clap at Miss World for the next 30 years?
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