Prozac wrote:A friend contradicts the argument used to allow heckling to continue. He said and I quote: "This behavior is intolerable.
Freedom of speech is among the most fundamental, and among the most cherished, of the bedrock values our nation is
built upon. America deserves a free exchange of ideas. This is non-negotiable. Those who attempt to suppress the rights
of others violate core principles that are the foundation of any community. We cannot and do not allow such behavior."
Prozac wrote:It looked like we are entering the TWILIGHT ZONE here, and this question begged for answers.
1. What is the thin line that separates heckling and slander?
2. Is heckling legal, is there a constitutional right to heckle?
3. Was the heckler’s shout protected by freedom of speech? Or was it an unprotected interference
to a gathering or event?
4. Can a police arrest a heckler?
5. Can we draw a line between a speaker’s First Amendment right to speak and the hecklers’ rights to free speech of their own.
Well, it looked like the line and the answer to my questions remains difficult to draw.
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Not everything that comes out of your mouth is covered by the mantle of the so-called but much abused "freedom of speech". The legal perimeters have to be observed and punitive measures imposed upon those who digress from the legal framework of the law.
beautywatchnyc wrote:
eto, binababoy na naman ng pagong ung thread na hindi sya ang me akda. cge feelingera, iyak pa. sinusundan mo talaga post ko, makakabuti sa u yan. ba't hindi mo na lang balik balikan yung kikitain mo tuwing lingo at ikakalat ulit dito? o ayan pinansin na kita ulit!
esperasave wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
eto, binababoy na naman ng pagong ung thread na hindi sya ang me akda. cge feelingera, iyak pa. sinusundan mo talaga post ko, makakabuti sa u yan. ba't hindi mo na lang balik balikan yung kikitain mo tuwing lingo at ikakalat ulit dito? o ayan pinansin na kita ulit!
One word is enough for a wise man. You keep repeating about the comment which had been long gone.
beautywatchnyc wrote:esperasave wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
eto, binababoy na naman ng pagong ung thread na hindi sya ang me akda. cge feelingera, iyak pa. sinusundan mo talaga post ko, makakabuti sa u yan. ba't hindi mo na lang balik balikan yung kikitain mo tuwing lingo at ikakalat ulit dito? o ayan pinansin na kita ulit!
One word is enough for a wise man. You keep repeating about the comment which had been long gone.
Buti di mo idinaan sa dementia. Nah, that faux pas was too embarrassing in the minds of many. It was utterly tactless marami nag react dun di lng ako. Kaya wag umastang hambog because you''re being watched.
beautywatchnyc wrote:
eto, binababoy na naman ng pagong ung thread na hindi sya ang me akda. cge feelingera, iyak pa. sinusundan mo talaga post ko, makakabuti sa u yan. ba't hindi mo na lang balik balikan yung kikitain mo tuwing lingo at ikakalat ulit dito? o ayan pinansin na kita ulit!
Prozac wrote:The videos are painting a grim and ghastly scenario, it is giving me cold shivers and goose pimples. Heckling is
tantamount to public shaming, and I don't have a stomach for it.
I admit I am pro-Trump, but I did not wish anything like that will happen to Biden? And reviewing the videos
again, I have more questions than answers. If we use punitive measures as a deterrent to heckling:
1. how come Biden and the military escorting the president just ignored the insults and the loathsome language
hurled at them and pretended nothing extraordinary happened.
2. And talking about heckling in the sports stadium, If punitive measures can be done, how can they do that
when it involved a capacity-sized crowd, and we are talking about thousands of people and not to mention
that the heckling didn't happen in just one stadium, it happened in a stadium in different states.
Are we just ignoring the fact, that this is the public sentiment from coast to coast, and it needs to be heard?
That they are just tired of the status quo, and witnessing debacle after another fiasco, and change is in order?
I am getting confused now more than ever on who is right? If the president is committing a repetetive blunder
in any policy be it domestic or foreign, is it right for the people to express their dissatisfaction by way of heckling?
As one of them rationalized, "it is better option as it is bloodless attempt compared to the riots, the looting and
the burning in Portland, Chicago and New York.
Beta wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
eto, binababoy na naman ng pagong ung thread na hindi sya ang me akda. cge feelingera, iyak pa. sinusundan mo talaga post ko, makakabuti sa u yan. ba't hindi mo na lang balik balikan yung kikitain mo tuwing lingo at ikakalat ulit dito? o ayan pinansin na kita ulit!
LMAO! love this!!!you crack me up!
don't go changin' tho -- coz I do love your prose!
Prozac wrote:It looked like we are entering the TWILIGHT ZONE here, and these questions begged for answers.
1. What is the thin line that separates heckling and slander?
2. Is heckling legal, is there a constitutional right to heckle?
3. Was the heckler’s shout protected by freedom of speech? Or was it an unprotected interference
to a gathering or event?
4. Can a police arrest a heckler?
5. Can we draw a line between a speaker’s First Amendment right to speak and the hecklers’ rights to free speech of their own.
Well, it looked like the line and the answer to my questions remains difficult to draw.
esperasave wrote:Beta wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
eto, binababoy na naman ng pagong ung thread na hindi sya ang me akda. cge feelingera, iyak pa. sinusundan mo talaga post ko, makakabuti sa u yan. ba't hindi mo na lang balik balikan yung kikitain mo tuwing lingo at ikakalat ulit dito? o ayan pinansin na kita ulit!
LMAO! love this!!!you crack me up!
don't go changin' tho -- coz I do love your prose!
His proses are from the Dark Ages. Not unless we are in the English Literature 101 Class. We are already in Peace Time, Modern Times. The fancy words that he often used in this forum is a Dead English Words. Meaning, no one has ever used it any longer but only him in the general populations. Besides, this forum is not about conversations on prose, poetry or sonnet. This is all about making factual statements after the other in simple English terms where everybody in the populations can relate. His style of reasoning which is Shakespearean of 1700s doesn't resonate well to no one that's why nobody ever touched his posts since last year and I believe more beyond in the past. I'm in a medical field and we used the Dead Linggo of Latin and Greek in our profession always but it's not for public consumptions because it cannot connect well to the general populations if we use them alot. It's only for people who have studied medical terms, terminologies and abbreviations mostly offered in Colleges and Universities throughout the world.
Beta wrote:esperasave wrote:Beta wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
eto, binababoy na naman ng pagong ung thread na hindi sya ang me akda. cge feelingera, iyak pa. sinusundan mo talaga post ko, makakabuti sa u yan. ba't hindi mo na lang balik balikan yung kikitain mo tuwing lingo at ikakalat ulit dito? o ayan pinansin na kita ulit!
LMAO! love this!!!you crack me up!
don't go changin' tho -- coz I do love your prose!
His proses are from the Dark Ages. Not unless we are in the English Literature 101 Class. We are already in Peace Time, Modern Times. The fancy words that he often used in this forum is a Dead English Words. Meaning, no one has ever used it any longer but only him in the general populations. Besides, this forum is not about conversations on prose, poetry or sonnet. This is all about making factual statements after the other in simple English terms where everybody in the populations can relate. His style of reasoning which is Shakespearean of 1700s doesn't resonate well to no one that's why nobody ever touched his posts since last year and I believe more beyond in the past. I'm in a medical field and we used the Dead Linggo of Latin and Greek in our profession always but it's not for public consumptions because it cannot connect well to the general populations if we use them alot. It's only for people who have studied medical terms, terminologies and abbreviations mostly offered in Colleges and Universities throughout the world.
huh?
beautywatchnyc wrote:Beta wrote:esperasave wrote:Beta wrote:beautywatchnyc wrote:
eto, binababoy na naman ng pagong ung thread na hindi sya ang me akda. cge feelingera, iyak pa. sinusundan mo talaga post ko, makakabuti sa u yan. ba't hindi mo na lang balik balikan yung kikitain mo tuwing lingo at ikakalat ulit dito? o ayan pinansin na kita ulit!
LMAO! love this!!!you crack me up!
don't go changin' tho -- coz I do love your prose!
His proses are from the Dark Ages. Not unless we are in the English Literature 101 Class. We are already in Peace Time, Modern Times. The fancy words that he often used in this forum is a Dead English Words. Meaning, no one has ever used it any longer but only him in the general populations. Besides, this forum is not about conversations on prose, poetry or sonnet. This is all about making factual statements after the other in simple English terms where everybody in the populations can relate. His style of reasoning which is Shakespearean of 1700s doesn't resonate well to no one that's why nobody ever touched his posts since last year and I believe more beyond in the past. I'm in a medical field and we used the Dead Linggo of Latin and Greek in our profession always but it's not for public consumptions because it cannot connect well to the general populations if we use them alot. It's only for people who have studied medical terms, terminologies and abbreviations mostly offered in Colleges and Universities throughout the world.
huh?
"proses of the dark ages" daw oh. Ba't pina process at i i spin? Bka pretending to sound like some intellectual, kuno! This whacko doesn't care about finances, yet in shameless arrogance announced his earnings per week in $ units (eh paano pa kaya kng naging £, haha!) when no one was asking nor cared to know. "more earnings this year" sus maryosep, completely clueless si kabayan. Iba dyan mas malaki ang kinikita di nman nag iingay di kailangan ipag yayabang pa. Nursing care kse ang background ngayun lng naka tikim maging dollar earner (okay, fine, we allow the faux pas to pass!) Never mind, fluke is clueless about the tenets of salary, wage and benefits administration in a corporate level. Assumera, umaasta maging teacher kuno and the gall to give instructions when I wasn't asking eh wala ksing matutunan sa insignificant na feelingera madre superiora inferior pa rin as at this writing ang level of thinking. In order to learn and to grow, we should be engaging comments coming from personas who are deemed higher and above us. The trying-hard of this forum -- we dismiss outright as hubris! Mas malawak nman ang panguunawa naten at mas richer sa vocab iwanan na at 'yaan maglupasay ynag ipis sa inis at sa inggit. Look, kahit 'di nman sya ang me akda pilitang hna hijack ang thread para mapansin. His ludicrous statements come from a lesser of mind but he's desperate for us to take a second look. Or, perhaps he might be currently experiencing an early stage of dementia. Problem is not ours, the choice is his'! It isn't late though naawa ako bigla!
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Hurting much, Esperasave? I wasn't talking to you. Si TS at si Beta kausap ko, di ikaw. O ayan, memory lapses lng ba o advanced stage of senility na yan? Halt na sa pa effort magpapansin. You're not worth a grain of salt, you don't impress me kahit anu png sawsaw ulitulitin mo! Declare yourself winner if you want but you haven't scored a point with me. Doon ka maghanap sa mga lesser of mind at ka level mo. 'Wag ako. K, bye.
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Hurting much, Esperasave? I wasn't talking to you. Si TS at si Beta kausap ko, di ikaw. O ayan, memory lapses lng ba o advanced stage of senility na yan? Halt na sa pa effort magpapansin. You're not worth a grain of salt, you don't impress me kahit anu png sawsaw ulitulitin mo! Declare yourself winner if you want but you haven't scored a point with me. Doon ka maghanap sa mga lesser of mind at ka level mo. 'Wag ako. K, bye.
Prozac wrote:It is quite ironic that we are talking about criticisms and heckling and how these can affect the person that is the object of ridicule.
We have a good start until this situation came in. Espersave and beautywatchny always react to my thread and I am learning MUCH
from both of them. Even if I don't know these guys, I consider them my thread buddies, and I am getting closer to both. We have good
discussions about anything and there was a very good exchange of ideas and opinions. And this situation came.
Being the thread starter, I feel obligated that I will intervene because I know where this situation is headed. The heated discussion
and the name-calling happened in my watch and in my thread, so I feel the need to act as a middle man, but discretion is the better
part of valor. It's better to take caution than make rush decisions like when I intercede in the fight of my friends when we were still
a child, I ended up having the most blackeye. So I hesitated on this one for fear that the backlash will boomerang on me, not only
coming from the feuding parties but the readers as well.
Just a week ago, I ask Espersave about his opinion on something, and in a jiffy, he can right away come back and shed light on
the matter that boggles me. He sounds like a disciplinarian (in a good way) and when he offers his opinion you could feel the
passion, just like a parent teaching his child how to brush teeth. I ask for a second opinion because I want another person to see
it from another angle and a different perspective and it's all up to me if I will follow the advice or not. It is still me who will
make the ultimate decision.
Beautywatchny if you remember just a week ago I praise how you fashion words into lines and lines into rhymes? And that's the
truth. As a matter of fact, I felt we have the same style of writing. We also have a little scrimmage with what we do with our
writing: Do we write to EXPRESS or do we write to IMPRESS, but that's all water under the bridge now. You know what ... there
are times I caught myself giggling because the way you play with words is like you hit the bullseye, and I appreciate it. If others
thought it is Shakespearean, so be it. It's his opinion and we can't change that. We can't please everybody anyway.
If they observed that nobody is responding to our way of writing because the words are highly charged, the vocabulary has the
hallmark of Thesaurus or highfalutin words are flooding ... making their nose bleed (I borrowed this term from a teleserye- no
offense meant to anybody). But what can we do ... words just came flowing, and if the words sound grandiose, high and mighty,
conceited and ostentatious that earn the disgust of many, they can't fault us for that.
On the other hand, espersave didn't mean anything bad when he was suggesting we have to write as SIMPLE as possible so we
can be understood sans jargon or idioms or any figure of speech. He just came in too strong giving the readers some impression
that it was a little harsh or mean. But I guess he was just acting like a parental figure wanting everything good with his kids.
But personally, if somebody will suggest to me that I will have to change my writing habits and I will stay away from sounding
too presumptuous and pretentious with my lingo and my choice of language, the person doesn't have any iota of idea how
changing me will break me and if that's the case I'd rather leave writing and this forum. And if I opted to stay, nobody has
a clue how hard the work is: changing your original draft from a complex one and break them in and make them simpler so
it is easy to the eyes of the readers.
And in fairness to beautywatchny, one writer I forgot his name said: "there is no right or wrong way of writing in social media
and in forums. Whether you write using simple words or you write sounding too deep or arrogant to some, everybody is
welcome to express his own thoughts and ideas. What is important is that we are communicating, and we are reaching out to
somebody, that's all there is to it.
After this piece, I hope this verbal exchange will stop. Let's bury the hatchet ... forgive and forget ... kiss and makeup...
let bygones be bygones ... smoke the peace-pipe ... hold out the olive branch ... and wipe the slate clean!
There I go again espersave with my idioms. It is almost overkill and you will not love me for using an overdose of it. Ha ...
ha ...ha! You guys don't need to answer this ... THIS THREAD IS CLOSED!
beautywatchnyc wrote:
Prozac, your perception of me is not my responsibility. Allow me to put “things” in proper perspective. Regarding my reply to your post -- my rules apply. The content of what I’m saying -- my call. I don’t I need to prove a thing. I appreciate you for not dictating on how to write my thoughts according to your individual style. After all, we are in a forum. As long as you know what’s inside of you, I think you’re fine. Thank you for not asking the hard-hitting questions because you want to sway the bar of readers’ opinions so that you’ll be noticed. You are way up there than most by simply not trying to impress on us that you are an intellectual. And, btw, even if you continue to try to mediate and pacify issues until the kingdom come, I do not think that you’ll get anything there. This may seem far from encouraging so I’ll leave this line open-ended. Cheers!
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