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Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby ajsy0203 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:46 am

    


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The last time India made it to the Final 5 was Celina Jaitley who finished 4th Runner Up at Miss Universe 2001. After Celina, no Indian beauties made it to the Final 5. As the potential crown contender Adline Castelino tries to end the 19 year drought. What could be the factors that prevented India from advancing in the Final 5?


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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby Archisexure » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:24 pm

Luck and the timing...
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby Miss Mirchi » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:38 pm

Only one reason - LACK OF BUSINESS
Miss Universe doesn't even air on Indian TV anymore. The last time it aired was in 2015 or 16
And the Miss Diva pageant is a joke. Nobody watches it. Times only does it like charity.
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby Stoichio » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:23 pm

Miss Mirchi wrote:Only one reason - LACK OF BUSINESS
Miss Universe doesn't even air on Indian TV anymore. The last time it aired was in 2015 or 16
And the Miss Diva pageant is a joke. Nobody watches it. Times only does it like charity.




1st: Change the name of the title.
Miss Universe is not looking for a DIVA.
There is no way the Miss Universe title (especially with IMG) will associate it with the word “diva”.
Diva has a negative connotation in pageantry, like “diva attitude”.

2nd: India is only interested with Miss World. All the other pageants are nothing. And Miss World has a huge ‘money generating’ machine in India via it’s BWAP; hence, only Miss World has business in India among all the pageants.
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby SisterStella » Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:49 pm

There are two major factors:
1. FAKE/INSINCERE : Gone are the days of "Mother Theresa" blah blah blah. Indian queens sound rehearsed and very fake with what they say. Only MW buys it bwahahaha

2. LAZINESS/ATTITUDE : The queens specially during the IMG era should be hardworking, dedicated, passionate about their work and full of humility. We all know that Indians by nature are LAZY and ARROGANT.
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby Miss Mirchi » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:14 am

Stoichio wrote:
Miss Mirchi wrote:Only one reason - LACK OF BUSINESS
Miss Universe doesn't even air on Indian TV anymore. The last time it aired was in 2015 or 16
And the Miss Diva pageant is a joke. Nobody watches it. Times only does it like charity.




1st: Change the name of the title.
Miss Universe is not looking for a DIVA.
There is no way the Miss Universe title (especially with IMG) will associate it with the word “diva”.
Diva has a negative connotation in pageantry, like “diva attitude”.

2nd: India is only interested with Miss World. All the other pageants are nothing. And Miss World has a huge ‘money generating’ machine in India via it’s BWAP; hence, only Miss World has business in India among all the pageants.


As much as I hate the name Miss Diva, i don't think MUO has a problem with it. Paula Shugart has herself attended a Miss Diva finale.. even last year Paula had sent a video message for Lara and contestants during the finale. And 2 reigning MUs have attended the pageant as a judge. I don't think if MUO had a problem they would've done any of these things.

Tbh even MW as a pageant isn't that popular in India anymore. Hardly anyone watches it. I know because I work in media industry. MW is still aired in India because they ofver TV rights for throwaway prices in India. The whole reason why girls participate in Femina Miss India more is because they want Bollywood success like Aishwarya and Priyanka.

One good thing is that since barely anyone cares about Miss Diva, more pageant fans participate in it. Girls like Nehal, Vartika and Adline had been dreaming of winning Miss Universe and not just land a successful bollywood debut.
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby Titan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:46 pm

Quality of girls sent to Miss Universe, overall exposure & grooming, and the right team (rather lack of) to guide for the pageant.

Not a single girl that India sent to Miss Universe outshined FMI winner over the last decade. That says it all.
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby amanda obdumb » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:43 am

Miss India no longer makes it to the Top 5 at Miss Universe because Thailand always takes her spot.
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby MissoCA » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:39 pm

This is actually an old query from Indian pageant enthusiasts. I think we've all pretty much narrowed it down to 3 solid reasons as to why India is no longer a factor.

1. The whole Miss Diva thing is all wrong - been saying this for years.
2. It's not a written pre-requisite to send pretty girls to Miss Universe, but I think you kinda have to (I say that lightly with humor). A FEW of your past delegates looked the part in pre-pageant PHOTOS but their competition transformations have been total fails! The rest of the girls you've sent were just so average looking (face and most definitely body) and I've questioned their semifinal berths. Let's be real! Based on this, Adline will probably look outdated in May when she shows up and you'll end up projecting your griping on other Asian countries who seem to have figured out the magic formula while Lara Dutta's diva organization continues to flop.
3. I think the world now knows that Indians aren't great business partners in the world of Miss Universe.

I tell you what, India will always be a front runner in Julia Morley's world for two reasons: Anglo Saxon British girls all look like Camilla Parker Bowles, and India is Great Britain with melanin!!!!! I say stick to "winning" Miss World. Forget about Miss Universe because India is no longer a factor and won't be for a very very long time.

...but, Indian people, miracles do happen!!!! ;)
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby ajsy0203 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:26 am

MissoCA wrote:This is actually an old query from Indian pageant enthusiasts. I think we've all pretty much narrowed it down to 3 solid reasons as to why India is no longer a factor.

1. The whole Miss Diva thing is all wrong - been saying this for years.
2. It's not a written pre-requisite to send pretty girls to Miss Universe, but I think you kinda have to (I say that lightly with humor). A FEW of your past delegates looked the part in pre-pageant PHOTOS but their competition transformations have been total fails! The rest of the girls you've sent were just so average looking (face and most definitely body) and I've questioned their semifinal berths. Let's be real! Based on this, Adline will probably look outdated in May when she shows up and you'll end up projecting your griping on other Asian countries who seem to have figured out the magic formula while Lara Dutta's diva organization continues to flop.
3. I think the world now knows that Indians aren't great business partners in the world of Miss Universe.

I tell you what, India will always be a front runner in Julia Morley's world for two reasons: Anglo Saxon British girls all look like Camilla Parker Bowles, and India is Great Britain with melanin!!!!! I say stick to "winning" Miss World. Forget about Miss Universe because India is no longer a factor and won't be for a very very long time.

...but, Indian people, miracles do happen!!!! ;)


I hope Adline will not fall the same fate as Nehal or Urvashi (perceived crown contenders to actual clappers)?
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby MissoCA » Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:50 am

ajsy0203 wrote:
MissoCA wrote:This is actually an old query from Indian pageant enthusiasts. I think we've all pretty much narrowed it down to 3 solid reasons as to why India is no longer a factor.

1. The whole Miss Diva thing is all wrong - been saying this for years.
2. It's not a written pre-requisite to send pretty girls to Miss Universe, but I think you kinda have to (I say that lightly with humor). A FEW of your past delegates looked the part in pre-pageant PHOTOS but their competition transformations have been total fails! The rest of the girls you've sent were just so average looking (face and most definitely body) and I've questioned their semifinal berths. Let's be real! Based on this, Adline will probably look outdated in May when she shows up and you'll end up projecting your griping on other Asian countries who seem to have figured out the magic formula while Lara Dutta's diva organization continues to flop.
3. I think the world now knows that Indians aren't great business partners in the world of Miss Universe.

I tell you what, India will always be a front runner in Julia Morley's world for two reasons: Anglo Saxon British girls all look like Camilla Parker Bowles, and India is Great Britain with melanin!!!!! I say stick to "winning" Miss World. Forget about Miss Universe because India is no longer a factor and won't be for a very very long time.

...but, Indian people, miracles do happen!!!! ;)


I hope Adline will not fall the same fate as Nehal or Urvashi (perceived crown contenders to actual clappers)?


Urvashi was a crown contender? Hell, that's news to me. She looked like a chubby frog.
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby ajsy0203 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:34 am

MissoCA wrote:
ajsy0203 wrote:
MissoCA wrote:This is actually an old query from Indian pageant enthusiasts. I think we've all pretty much narrowed it down to 3 solid reasons as to why India is no longer a factor.

1. The whole Miss Diva thing is all wrong - been saying this for years.
2. It's not a written pre-requisite to send pretty girls to Miss Universe, but I think you kinda have to (I say that lightly with humor). A FEW of your past delegates looked the part in pre-pageant PHOTOS but their competition transformations have been total fails! The rest of the girls you've sent were just so average looking (face and most definitely body) and I've questioned their semifinal berths. Let's be real! Based on this, Adline will probably look outdated in May when she shows up and you'll end up projecting your griping on other Asian countries who seem to have figured out the magic formula while Lara Dutta's diva organization continues to flop.
3. I think the world now knows that Indians aren't great business partners in the world of Miss Universe.

I tell you what, India will always be a front runner in Julia Morley's world for two reasons: Anglo Saxon British girls all look like Camilla Parker Bowles, and India is Great Britain with melanin!!!!! I say stick to "winning" Miss World. Forget about Miss Universe because India is no longer a factor and won't be for a very very long time.

...but, Indian people, miracles do happen!!!! ;)


I hope Adline will not fall the same fate as Nehal or Urvashi (perceived crown contenders to actual clappers)?


Urvashi was a crown contender? Hell, that's news to me. She looked like a chubby frog.


I think Urvashi was a perceived crown contender before her lackluster performance at Miss Universe 2015 preliminaries.
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Postby Zinnia » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:42 am


Different management, different standards..... Some countries can easily adjust to follow and mold their queens to the new standard, some can't. Either they're stucked from the old mold, or they are having a hard time to transition. One example is when a girl is competing Miss Universe for IMG era with a transformation and packaging of a "Trump era" caliber where face and performance won't make you reach Top 10. Example if Gazini competed during the Trump era, she might nail it all the way to the Top 5.... Or if Shamcey Supsup with a good academic background competed during the IMG era, very high chance she will win it. things like that, it's only my opinion. Bottomline, I think the timing is not perfect.
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Postby roccor » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:18 am

Desi fatigue— too formulaic. If you send Meenakshi to Miss Universe, India will be back!
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Postby Poseidon88 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:02 am

They just have to stop sending Sushmita and Lara prototypes then they can rock it again. Just like the Philippines sending Miriam clone during the early 2000s
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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby life » Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:30 am

MissoCA wrote:This is actually an old query from Indian pageant enthusiasts. I think we've all pretty much narrowed it down to 3 solid reasons as to why India is no longer a factor.

1. The whole Miss Diva thing is all wrong - been saying this for years.
2. It's not a written pre-requisite to send pretty girls to Miss Universe, but I think you kinda have to (I say that lightly with humor). A FEW of your past delegates looked the part in pre-pageant PHOTOS but their competition transformations have been total fails! The rest of the girls you've sent were just so average looking (face and most definitely body) and I've questioned their semifinal berths. Let's be real! Based on this, Adline will probably look outdated in May when she shows up and you'll end up projecting your griping on other Asian countries who seem to have figured out the magic formula while Lara Dutta's diva organization continues to flop.
3. I think the world now knows that Indians aren't great business partners in the world of Miss Universe.

I tell you what, India will always be a front runner in Julia Morley's world for two reasons: Anglo Saxon British girls all look like Camilla Parker Bowles, and India is Great Britain with melanin!!!!! I say stick to "winning" Miss World. Forget about Miss Universe because India is no longer a factor and won't be for a very very long time.

...but, Indian people, miracles do happen!!!! ;)


Wow, some of the Filipinos, no matter even if they live in the United States or elsewhere, are so jealous about their country not placing in Miss World. They come up with conspiracy theories that India places in Miss World because India used to be British Colony etc. How about coming up with some conspiracy theories on why Philippines keeps placing in the American run Miss Universe? Did Pia Wurzbach not "famously" say that Philippines used to be an American colony and that Filipinos love the American culture? Guess America is returning that favor to the Philippines now. If we get down to stereotyping women, we can come up with colorful adjectives for the Filipino women too. But I won't stoop so low.
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Postby Galunggong » Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:49 pm

Venus Raj ended India’s famine in the Miss Universe pageant .

And now Rabiya Mateo will bulldoze her way to the finals .
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Postby Galunggong » Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:55 am

It’s a monstrosity that India sent the likes of Usoshi Sengupta, Vasuki Sunkavalli, Shilpa Singh , Urvashi Rautela etc to the Miss Universe pageant .
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Postby Galunggong » Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:02 am

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Re: Factors prevented India from advancing into the Final 5?

Postby Stoichio » Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:05 pm

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Miss Mirchi wrote:Only one reason - LACK OF BUSINESS
Miss Universe doesn't even air on Indian TV anymore. The last time it aired was in 2015 or 16
And the Miss Diva pageant is a joke. Nobody watches it. Times only does it like charity.




1st: Change the name of the title.
Miss Universe is not looking for a DIVA.
There is no way the Miss Universe title (especially with IMG) will associate it with the word “diva”.
Diva has a negative connotation in pageantry, like “diva attitude”.

2nd: India is only interested with Miss World. All the other pageants are nothing. And Miss World has a huge ‘money generating’ machine in India via it’s BWAP; hence, only Miss World has business in India among all the pageants.


As much as I hate the name Miss Diva, i don't think MUO has a problem with it. Paula Shugart has herself attended a Miss Diva finale.. even last year Paula had sent a video message for Lara and contestants during the finale. And 2 reigning MUs have attended the pageant as a judge. I don't think if MUO had a problem they would've done any of these things.

Tbh even MW as a pageant isn't that popular in India anymore. Hardly anyone watches it. I know because I work in media industry. MW is still aired in India because they ofver TV rights for throwaway prices in India. The whole reason why girls participate in Femina Miss India more is because they want Bollywood success like Aishwarya and Priyanka.

One good thing is that since barely anyone cares about Miss Diva, more pageant fans participate in it. Girls like Nehal, Vartika and Adline had been dreaming of winning Miss Universe and not just land a successful bollywood debut.




Did Paula volunteered to attend or the Miss Diva Team invited her?

Let’s just put it this way: what do you think is the reason why MUO asked major players in Miss Universe (e.g. Philippines, Colombia, Brazil, Thailand to have a separate national org and pageant that bears “Miss Universe” in the name?

It’s good that India has a separate pageant for Miss Universe but to call it another name aside from the usual MU-(name of country) is like telling MUO, “we don’t care about the name Miss Universe, we have our own brand to promote.”. It would be good if it is named Miss INDIA only, like in Miss USA, Miss France, Miss South Africa. If you know what I mean.

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