RainBernardi wrote:not because I am Filipino but you seemed to be really bitter for the Philippines in pageantry. Even if you take out ME wins, Philippines will still tally behind Venezuela.
Stoichio wrote:
For Miss World, you have to include their British colonies and former colonies and you will be surprised that more than 50% of the winners have association to UK.
venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:
For Miss World, you have to include their British colonies and former colonies and you will be surprised that more than 50% of the winners have association to UK.
Most if not all countries that speak English as their official language or one of their official languages has historical association with the UK via colonization, including the USA. Those are the countries that compete most consistently at Miss World since the 50s hence most likely to win, and win on multiple occasions.
There are too many DUMB asses here on Missosology who spew nonsense with confidence. Or they know better and are blinded by bias.
Stoichio wrote:venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:
For Miss World, you have to include their British colonies and former colonies and you will be surprised that more than 50% of the winners have association to UK.
Most if not all countries that speak English as their official language or one of their official languages has historical association with the UK via colonization, including the USA. Those are the countries that compete most consistently at Miss World since the 50s hence most likely to win, and win on multiple occasions.
There are too many DUMB asses here on Missosology who spew nonsense with confidence. Or they know better and are blinded by bias.
You are the DUMB ASS here for failing to recognize FACTS.
To date, there are still several British Overseas Territories existing, and the first one that comes to mind is GIBRALTAR.
BERMUDA still a British overseas territory, GRENADA (a UK commonwealth), JAMAICA (a commonwealth)
All these territories have won Miss World but you don’t see them placing high (or even placing at all) in other pageants, including the minor ones. In the case of Jamaica, they place fairly well in Miss Universe, but at least their girls that placed there are beautiful. While the ones that placed high (and even win in MW) are below average girls (i.e. 1993, 2019). If these girls were not from Jamaica nor from a British territory or colony, I doubt they even placed in the first cut.
For the big countries, SOUTH AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND to this day remains a commonwealth and have Queen Elizabeth as their queen. And they all get the British advantage in Miss World.
Another one of the most important former colonies of UK, is INDIA. Many of the Indian girls placed very high undeservingly. The only deserving winners were Aishwarya, Diana and Priyanka, the other 3 MW from India won because of having the advantage of being a former British colony. (Reita and Yuktha looked like grandmother/auntie when they won, while Manushi is very basic when all the make-up are removed, and she’s not really good in comm skills. I don’t know how she won in 2017 after copying the answer of Miss Sri Lanka. Her answer was the greatest COPY QUOTE in pageant history, but the world who watched thought it was her original idea
BOTTOM LINE is: In Miss World, UK countries, territories, commonwealth and former colonies get UNFAIR ADVANTAGE from the organization. Because girls from countries not in those classifications hardly make it even if they send goddesses, intelligent and talented girls.
And the Miss World BWAP (Bribers With a Purpose) also gets unfair advantage: they are China, Indonesia and Puerto Rico (or shall I say Wilnelia Merced coz she’s the only one doing under the table deals)
Oma-san wrote:I never saw China winning BWAP and the two winners have not been unacceptable. People didn't accept Wen Xia Yu's because the fans from India, Philippines, etc. delegate was beaten. Yet Wen Xia Yu was more beautiful than Vanya Mishra and Queenirich Rehman and she won Talent. Her win was more deserving than Olivia Culpo's in Miss Universe.
Also, I don't think Priyanka was a deserving winner. Judging from her final look and final answer. Her runners up were prettier and well-spoken too.
L'Oreal also made its way into the Indian market in the second half of the 90s and the endorsers were primarily Femina winners like Aishwarya.
venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:
For Miss World, you have to include their British colonies and former colonies and you will be surprised that more than 50% of the winners have association to UK.
Most if not all countries that speak English as their official language or one of their official languages has historical association with the UK via colonization, including the USA. Those are the countries that compete most consistently at Miss World since the 50s hence most likely to win, and win on multiple occasions.
There are too many DUMB asses here on Missosology who spew nonsense with confidence. Or they know better and are blinded by bias.
You are the DUMB ASS here for failing to recognize FACTS.
To date, there are still several British Overseas Territories existing, and the first one that comes to mind is GIBRALTAR.
BERMUDA still a British overseas territory, GRENADA (a UK commonwealth), JAMAICA (a commonwealth)
All these territories have won Miss World but you don’t see them placing high (or even placing at all) in other pageants, including the minor ones. In the case of Jamaica, they place fairly well in Miss Universe, but at least their girls that placed there are beautiful. While the ones that placed high (and even win in MW) are below average girls (i.e. 1993, 2019). If these girls were not from Jamaica nor from a British territory or colony, I doubt they even placed in the first cut.
For the big countries, SOUTH AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND to this day remains a commonwealth and have Queen Elizabeth as their queen. And they all get the British advantage in Miss World.
Another one of the most important former colonies of UK, is INDIA. Many of the Indian girls placed very high undeservingly. The only deserving winners were Aishwarya, Diana and Priyanka, the other 3 MW from India won because of having the advantage of being a former British colony. (Reita and Yuktha looked like grandmother/auntie when they won, while Manushi is very basic when all the make-up are removed, and she’s not really good in comm skills. I don’t know how she won in 2017 after copying the answer of Miss Sri Lanka. Her answer was the greatest COPY QUOTE in pageant history, but the world who watched thought it was her original idea
BOTTOM LINE is: In Miss World, UK countries, territories, commonwealth and former colonies get UNFAIR ADVANTAGE from the organization. Because girls from countries not in those classifications hardly make it even if they send goddesses, intelligent and talented girls.
And the Miss World BWAP (Bribers With a Purpose) also gets unfair advantage: they are China, Indonesia and Puerto Rico (or shall I say Wilnelia Merced coz she’s the only one doing under the table deals)
You are not just dumb but also a liar or just really bad at geopolitical history and math. You are here claiming more than 50% of the winners have British association when in reality only 25 of the 69 winners are from Britain or its former diverse empire (28 if you add the USA).
The winner from Bermuda was also the same woman who was runner up in Miss Universe in 79.
Grenada has only competed at MW twice.
These countries hardly compete at MW before and after their one off success. They rarely if ever compete in other pageants major or minor so why bring up their record at other pageants when they rarely if ever compete? What are you trying to prove?
Don't be hating on these countries because your country has failed to capture the multiple crowns YOU THINK it deserves. You seem bitter and pathetic, it's showing in your rants.
Stoichio wrote:venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:
For Miss World, you have to include their British colonies and former colonies and you will be surprised that more than 50% of the winners have association to UK.
Most if not all countries that speak English as their official language or one of their official languages has historical association with the UK via colonization, including the USA. Those are the countries that compete most consistently at Miss World since the 50s hence most likely to win, and win on multiple occasions.
There are too many DUMB asses here on Missosology who spew nonsense with confidence. Or they know better and are blinded by bias.
You are the DUMB ASS here for failing to recognize FACTS.
To date, there are still several British Overseas Territories existing, and the first one that comes to mind is GIBRALTAR.
BERMUDA still a British overseas territory, GRENADA (a UK commonwealth), JAMAICA (a commonwealth)
All these territories have won Miss World but you don’t see them placing high (or even placing at all) in other pageants, including the minor ones. In the case of Jamaica, they place fairly well in Miss Universe, but at least their girls that placed there are beautiful. While the ones that placed high (and even win in MW) are below average girls (i.e. 1993, 2019). If these girls were not from Jamaica nor from a British territory or colony, I doubt they even placed in the first cut.
For the big countries, SOUTH AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, NEW ZEALAND to this day remains a commonwealth and have Queen Elizabeth as their queen. And they all get the British advantage in Miss World.
Another one of the most important former colonies of UK, is INDIA. Many of the Indian girls placed very high undeservingly. The only deserving winners were Aishwarya, Diana and Priyanka, the other 3 MW from India won because of having the advantage of being a former British colony. (Reita and Yuktha looked like grandmother/auntie when they won, while Manushi is very basic when all the make-up are removed, and she’s not really good in comm skills. I don’t know how she won in 2017 after copying the answer of Miss Sri Lanka. Her answer was the greatest COPY QUOTE in pageant history, but the world who watched thought it was her original idea
BOTTOM LINE is: In Miss World, UK countries, territories, commonwealth and former colonies get UNFAIR ADVANTAGE from the organization. Because girls from countries not in those classifications hardly make it even if they send goddesses, intelligent and talented girls.
And the Miss World BWAP (Bribers With a Purpose) also gets unfair advantage: they are China, Indonesia and Puerto Rico (or shall I say Wilnelia Merced coz she’s the only one doing under the table deals)
You are not just dumb but also a liar or just really bad at geopolitical history and math. You are here claiming more than 50% of the winners have British association when in reality only 25 of the 69 winners are from Britain or its former diverse empire (28 if you add the USA).
The winner from Bermuda was also the same woman who was runner up in Miss Universe in 79.
Grenada has only competed at MW twice.
These countries hardly compete at MW before and after their one off success. They rarely if ever compete in other pageants major or minor so why bring up their record at other pageants when they rarely if ever compete? What are you trying to prove?
Don't be hating on these countries because your country has failed to capture the multiple crowns YOU THINK it deserves. You seem bitter and pathetic, it's showing in your rants.
You are good in Math, then what is 1 divided by 0???
You really went and counted all the winners LOL. Poor guy he never came across what is “HYPERBOLE” in elementary.
They hardly compete yet they won, right? That’s a solid proof how the unfair advantage of these brit territories.
The blatant fact remains: these Brit territories and former colonies + the Bribers with a Purpose get unfair advantage every year. They are the only ones who can win with below average looking girls. It would be good if they are universally beautiful but in most cases, they are not. And these were the most controversial editions.
Why do you keep on injecting USA? Though they colonized some states of the present US, USA is never written as former territory of UK as a whole; plus, MW has always had animosity of US because of Miss Universe being more popular and had better winners in the first 40 years of the pageants. Many MW titles in the past became pornstars
You research about the history of MW so you will know how dark its history is. There is one blog by a MW fan from Venezuela who has entries in details about this pageant in its yearly edition since 1951. And he wrote everything in detail. Even if he is a MW fan, he didn’t sugarcoat the bad things about this pageant.
fermnedoza wrote:Indeed,. Miss World is the most politicized pageant. While UK itself won only four times;. they won by proxies a number of times with their former colonies. Grenada won their first and only MW title with their very own Prime Minister as Chairman of the judging panel
IT WAS NOT FIXED.-
On Tuesday, November 24, Eric Morley, Director of Mecca Promotions, organizer of the Miss World contest, offered details at a press conference where he clarified that the contest had not been arranged. Issued details and an explanation of how to vote in the contest. Mr. Morley said, showing the voting ballots with the results, that he had “little enthusiasm” for giving an explanation. He said he felt that way because he had been told that, no matter what he said, most of Fleet Street felt that the Miss World contest had been “bent.” Mr. Morley continued to emphasize that Mecca could not win anything with the victory of Miss Grenada. And he added: “Will the press accept, please, a very sincere statement that in the 20 years of the Miss World contest it has never been manipulated or altered in any way? And while here, it never will be.” Mr. Morley said the storm “seems to have reached the Prime Minister of Grenada,” who was one of the judges of the contest. But he stressed that there were nine judges and asked if they had all been “bent.” “It is an insult to them to think that they could be, and the very idea of the majority voting system is to ignore the extremes. Even if the vote of the Prime Minister of Grenada was reversed, by altering his vote for Miss Grenada from first to seventh, she would still have won both for our majority voting system and for points. ” “And in normal circumstances I find the press fair and reasonable. But this ‘trial by insinuation’ is affecting my business and my family.” “I can assure you that, no matter how much they dig, they will never find anything wrong in Miss World, except, as always, in a difference of opinion about the winner. That is something I have no control over.”
Finally, Mr. Morley said: “May I suggest that if more accusations are made about the contest, that the consultations be directed to the Chairman of the judges, Mr. Peter Dimmock of the BBC, since neither I nor any person employed by Mecca was on the panel of judges”. In the details of the evaluation, Mr. Morley showed that three of the girls obtained a unanimous vote in the first round. They were Miss Africa South and Miss Grenada, both non-white, and Miss Israel. Miss Sweden, “barely arrived” in the second round with four votes of nine. Morley said the final selection of 15 to seven finalists showed that all the judges voted for Africa South and eight for Granada, Sweden received four and reached the last seven by the quality vote of the president of the judges, as did Miss United Kingdom who had tied with Miss United States”. No other girl was close to Miss Africa South and Miss Grenada and it became a matter of who appeared best in the final personality interview. Morley said Miss Grenada gave the best interview. He explained that the candidates were evaluated under the majority voting system. Then he showed the final score. Four judges voted for Miss Sweden, two for Miss Grenada, two for Miss Africa South and one for Miss Israel. But he noted that Miss Grenada obtained five second places and a third, the majority, while Miss Sweden only had a fourth, a fifth and three sevenths. In terms of points, Miss Grenada scored 50, Miss Africa South 43 and Miss Sweden 38 (see table). He said he was omitting the names of the judges, but that he would be prepared to show them in few weeks. Regarding Miss Grenada, Mr. Morley said: “In general, it was accepted that she gave the best interview, and this tipped the scales in her favor.”
Stoichio wrote:
For Miss World, you have to include their British colonies and former colonies and you will be surprised that more than 50% of the winners have association to UK.
venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:venice wrote:Stoichio wrote:
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"They hardly compete yet they won, right? That’s a solid proof how the unfair advantage of these brit
Sorry but after reading that I couldn't go any further with your dumb post. Do you think judges care if a country competed before? I didn't know there was a secret rule that countries had to compete several times before being considered for a win.
No wonder Missosology is becoming so irrelevant. They have idiots like you here parading as pageant experts on the forum.
life wrote:People keep blabbering on about Miss World being partial to its former colonies. How about Philippines, which is a former American colony, being favored by Miss Universe, which is an American run pageant ?
life wrote:Yeah, right, tiny territories of USA did not win Miss Universe? Puerto Rico, anyone? Hello... ? Puerto Rico won 5 times already. Philippines (US colony) won 4 times. How blinded can you be from your inherent bias?
You wanna justify fairness with PH's 10-year drought in Miss Universe? If that is the case, even India had a long drought in MW between Priyanka in 2000 and Manushi in 2017.
You wanna talk about Miss Universe's transparency? When was the last time they showed the judges scores? Just because they make the girls parade in a swimsuit and evening doesn't mean they are transparent. Cause who knows how the judges are scoring them?
You are bitter towards MW because Catriona failed to win it. And blinded by your gratitude towards Miss Universe because they just reserve a top 10 spot for you guys, well until Gazini flopped in that too. But weren't you guys so elated when an undeserving Gwedoline placed 1st runner up at MW? Back then, you seemd to think MW is so fair !
So PH placements were a result of your reps' performance and hardwork. But MW winners don't put in any performance and hardwork? Wow. How shamelessly baised can you be?
I am not stupid like you to say that MW is unbiased but so is Miss Universe. Every pageant favors the countries that are beneficial for them. You need to have a balanced perspective and be objective about criticism. Don't let jingoism cloud your objectivity.
Worse than MW and Miss Universe is the Filipino run Miss Earth which blatantly places Philippines every year and even crowns them back to back. First clean up the corruption in your own country, then point fingers at others.
ajsy0203 wrote:life wrote:
Different taste, different opinions, different standards. You forgot something, Miss Universe and Miss Earth have independent auditing firms to tabulate and verify the results.
life wrote:Yeah, right, tiny territories of USA did not win Miss Universe? Puerto Rico, anyone? Hello... ? Puerto Rico won 5 times already. Philippines (US colony) won 4 times. How blinded can you be from your inherent bias?
You wanna justify fairness with PH's 10-year drought in Miss Universe? If that is the case, even India had a long drought in MW between Priyanka in 2000 and Manushi in 2017.
You wanna talk about Miss Universe's transparency? When was the last time they showed the judges scores? Just because they make the girls parade in a swimsuit and evening doesn't mean they are transparent. Cause who knows how the judges are scoring them?
You are bitter towards MW because Catriona failed to win it. And blinded by your gratitude towards Miss Universe because they just reserve a top 10 spot for you guys, well until Gazini flopped in that too. But weren't you guys so elated when an undeserving Gwedoline placed 1st runner up at MW? Back then, you seemd to think MW is so fair !
So PH placements were a result of your reps' performance and hardwork. But MW winners don't put in any performance and hardwork? Wow. How shamelessly baised can you be?
I am not stupid like you to say that MW is unbiased but so is Miss Universe. Every pageant favors the countries that are beneficial for them. You need to have a balanced perspective and be objective about criticism. Don't let jingoism cloud your objectivity.
Worse than MW and Miss Universe is the Filipino run Miss Earth which blatantly places Philippines every year and even crowns them back to back. First clean up the corruption in your own country, then point fingers at others.
the critic wrote:life wrote:
WOW, WOW. I LOVE HOW YOU SO ELOQUENTLY SHUT THIS CLOWN DOWN.
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