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WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Dreamboat » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:16 am

    

When all is said and done and the new queen was crowned, many are still restless on why Ms South Africa won when she's not the prettiest, the tallest, the most beautiful.

Yes, she's smart but that should not be the the only basis and just one of the criteria. Is MUO really heading in this direction of brains over physical beauty or it's just pure 'LUCK?" Is there truth to what 1969 Ms Universe Gloria Diaz said that winning Miss Universe is 99% pure luck?

To qoute her, “Everybody has things to say but like I’ve always said, first of all you will not be there if you’re not beautiful, if you’re not smart, if you’re not tall or pretty. But I’ve told this over and over. It’s 99% luck. Everybody has an opinion why she did not win, whether the answer was good enough or not good enough. To some people it was smart, to some people it was kulang (not enough). But really it’s just luck at the end of the day,” she said.


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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby stryker1202 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:46 am

its destiny and luck i think
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby RainBernardi » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:17 am

yes. if it's for you, it's for you.

look at ate leila, she won despite many things.
look at pasay, prepared, faked and hyped and still did not make it.
Pia despite being announced as Ru but the true winner.

It's really luck!
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Totoypasiboy » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:22 am

In an interview she said that her prediction is that a caucasian will win this year. Her prediction was wrong... Big time!

During the Miss Universe 1969, Gloria Diaz was not the tallest, and prettiest and her answer was not best but she manages to win. So, I guess, she's right that it is 99% luck... in her case.

As for Zozibini, she made her mark during the preliminaries. And the moment she open her mouth during the statement round, that's when she sealed the title for South Africa. It was a clean win. It just that no one saw it coming. She peaked at the right moment.

She may not be the prettiest, but she's the one who shines the brightest.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby RainBernardi » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:36 am

Totoypasiboy wrote:In an interview she said that her prediction is that a caucasian will win this year. Her prediction was wrong... Big time!

During the Miss Universe 1969, Gloria Diaz was not the tallest, and prettiest and her answer was not best but she manages to win. So, I guess, she's right that it is 99% luck... in her case.

As for Zozibini, she made her mark during the preliminaries. And the moment she open her mouth during the statement round, that's when she sealed the title for South Africa. It was a clean win. It just that no one saw it coming. She peaked at the right moment.

She may not be the prettiest, but she's the one who shines the brightest.


I agree, but also put into consideration that she was a returnee in Miss SA pageant. 2017 is not her luck, yet, but 2019.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby beautywatchnyc » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:42 am


Winning the crown results from a confluence of many factors that coalesce to a single purpose and direction. These factors are not by any means independent but mutually inclusive of each other. These factors could only differ in the percentages of weights and points assigned each factor.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Dreamboat » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:03 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
Winning the crown results from a confluence of many factors that coalesce to a single purpose and direction. These factors are not by any means independent but mutually inclusive of each other. These factors could only differ in the percentages of weights and points assigned each factor.


One of the factors are the set of judges given the task. So is it right to say the LUCK factor was there because there were 2 black judges? Not to forget the 1st and 2nd RU are Latinas if we count the Latin judges.

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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Dreamboat » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:05 am

stryker1202 wrote:its destiny and luck i think



You missed on the performance. ;-)
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Dreamboat » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:11 am

Totoypasiboy wrote:In an interview she said that her prediction is that a caucasian will win this year. Her prediction was wrong... Big time!

During the Miss Universe 1969, Gloria Diaz was not the tallest, and prettiest and her answer was not best but she manages to win. So, I guess, she's right that it is 99% luck... in her case.

As for Zozibini, she made her mark during the preliminaries. And the moment she open her mouth during the statement round, that's when she sealed the title for South Africa. It was a clean win. It just that no one saw it coming. She peaked at the right moment.

She may not be the prettiest, but she's the one who shines the brightest.



She probably did during the prelims but statement round I personally think Ms Iceland made the greatest impact, if you add her facial beauty, she's a clear winner. But she's not pure black as what those 2 judges are. Was Ms. SA favored? The "luck' factor was there for her.

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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby beautywatchnyc » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:16 am

Dreamboat wrote:
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Winning the crown results from a confluence of many factors that coalesce to a single purpose and direction. These factors are not by any means independent but mutually inclusive of each other. These factors could only differ in the percentages of weights and points assigned each factor.


One of the factors are the set of judges given the task. So is it right to say the LUCK factor was there because there were 2 black judges? Not to forget the 1st and 2nd RU are Latinas if we count the Latin judges.



If verified to be the case, meaning, that the judges favored their own when all factors were not weighted equally the same.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Dreamboat » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:23 am

beautywatchnyc wrote:
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Winning the crown results from a confluence of many factors that coalesce to a single purpose and direction. These factors are not by any means independent but mutually inclusive of each other. These factors could only differ in the percentages of weights and points assigned each factor.


One of the factors are the set of judges given the task. So is it right to say the LUCK factor was there because there were 2 black judges? Not to forget the 1st and 2nd RU are Latinas if we count the Latin judges.



If verified to be the case, meaning, that the judges favored their own when all factors were not weighted equally the same.


That's hard to verify, but if you ask me I think they did favor their own. ;-)

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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby ssyoki » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:25 am

Dreamboat wrote:When all is said and done and the new queen was crowned, many are still restless on why Ms South Africa won when she's not the prettiest, the tallest, the most beautiful.

Yes, she's smart but that should not be the the only basis and just one of the criteria. Is MUO really heading in this direction of brains over physical beauty or it's just pure 'LUCK?" Is there truth to what 1969 Ms Universe Gloria Diaz said that winning Miss Universe is 99% pure luck?

To qoute her, “Everybody has things to say but like I’ve always said, first of all you will not be there if you’re not beautiful, if you’re not smart, if you’re not tall or pretty. But I’ve told this over and over. It’s 99% luck. Everybody has an opinion why she did not win, whether the answer was good enough or not good enough. To some people it was smart, to some people it was kulang (not enough). But really it’s just luck at the end of the day,” she said.


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Define "luck"
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Dreamboat » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:29 am

rainiel wrote:yes. if it's for you, it's for you.

look at ate leila, she won despite many things.
look at pasay, prepared, faked and hyped and still did not make it.
Pia despite being announced as Ru but the true winner.

It's really luck!


And you make sense. ;-)

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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Dreamboat » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:32 am

ssyoki wrote:
Dreamboat wrote:When all is said and done and the new queen was crowned, many are still restless on why Ms South Africa won when she's not the prettiest, the tallest, the most beautiful.

Yes, she's smart but that should not be the the only basis and just one of the criteria. Is MUO really heading in this direction of brains over physical beauty or it's just pure 'LUCK?" Is there truth to what 1969 Ms Universe Gloria Diaz said that winning Miss Universe is 99% pure luck?

To qoute her, “Everybody has things to say but like I’ve always said, first of all you will not be there if you’re not beautiful, if you’re not smart, if you’re not tall or pretty. But I’ve told this over and over. It’s 99% luck. Everybody has an opinion why she did not win, whether the answer was good enough or not good enough. To some people it was smart, to some people it was kulang (not enough). But really it’s just luck at the end of the day,” she said.


Do you believe her?


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Define "luck"


LUCK is success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions. LOL!! I still believe LUCK plays a big role in winning a beauty pageant. One of these factors is the set of judges.

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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby alihabibi » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:27 am

Totoypasiboy wrote:In an interview she said that her prediction is that a caucasian will win this year. Her prediction was wrong... Big time!

During the Miss Universe 1969, Gloria Diaz was not the tallest, and prettiest and her answer was not best but she manages to win. So, I guess, she's right that it is 99% luck... in her case.

As for Zozibini, she made her mark during the preliminaries. And the moment she open her mouth during the statement round, that's when she sealed the title for South Africa. It was a clean win. It just that no one saw it coming. She peaked at the right moment.

She may not be the prettiest, but she's the one who shines the brightest.


Very true. I love Zozibini. I am happy that she won and a black beauty won. She won fair and square. She may not be beautiful for most but beauty is subjective. She peaked at the right time and every time she opens her mouth you will say Wow. That women is very empowered.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby sugar&spice » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:26 am

I remember reading a news article in 1973 when Margie Moran won the Miss Universe title in Athens, Greece. During the post-crowning press conference, one of the reporters asked her if she thinks she is the most beautiful of them all ... her answer was "let's just say I was LUCKY."
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Specialfx » Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:38 pm

I am sure if you run the contest again with different judges you would get a different winner. And Miss South Africas story is nothing new.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby esperasave » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:06 pm

Miss Gloria Diaz could have gave the Philippines her second gift if only she didn't back out from the judging of the Miss Universe 2019. Let's see next year if the offer from Miss Universe Organization will still stand for her. She could have eliminated one Latina or African judge from the selection committee and placing one Asian contestant to the Top 3 with Gazinni since Riyo Mori was there. Riyo's vote didn't matter to put one Asian because she was alone. On the same hand, one American judge couldn't place a North American contestant to the Top 3 because she was also alone. It was the connivance of 2 Latinas and 3 African judges to put Latina and African contestant in the Top 3. Eventually, Miss South Africa won because at least all 3 African judges voted for her as the winner. While the 2 Latina judges were split to vote for Miss Mexico and Miss Puerto Rico.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Beta » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:59 pm

i think it plays a part, but very minimal.

although judges make the decisions at the end of the day, these ladies are being watched from the moment they put on their crowns by other powers that be.

bad luck? unless one is absolutely, positively deathly ill on competition day, there's no reason to choke to death and fail every tasks if you've been preparing to start with.

good luck? unless one sold their soul to the devil, there's no gift to magically transform into this golden girl with the midas touch if you haven't been preparing to start with.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Kumukutikutitap » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:42 pm

Dreamboat wrote:When all is said and done and the new queen was crowned, many are still restless on why Ms South Africa won when she's not the prettiest, the tallest, the most beautiful.

Yes, she's smart but that should not be the the only basis and just one of the criteria. Is MUO really heading in this direction of brains over physical beauty or it's just pure 'LUCK?" Is there truth to what 1969 Ms Universe Gloria Diaz said that winning Miss Universe is 99% pure luck?

To qoute her, “Everybody has things to say but like I’ve always said, first of all you will not be there if you’re not beautiful, if you’re not smart, if you’re not tall or pretty. But I’ve told this over and over. It’s 99% luck. Everybody has an opinion why she did not win, whether the answer was good enough or not good enough. To some people it was smart, to some people it was kulang (not enough). But really it’s just luck at the end of the day,” she said.


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It was NOT luck. Didn’t we all know from the get-go that it was going to be a black woman?

The US media is now going gaga about the all-black court for this year: Teen USA, USA, America, and Universe. EXACTLY what the plan was! [-X
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby esperasave » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:25 pm

rainiel wrote:yes. if it's for you, it's for you.

look at ate leila, she won despite many things.
look at pasay, prepared, faked and hyped and still did not make it.
Pia despite being announced as Ru but the true winner.

It's really luck!


Leila won because she spoke Portugese in Brazil. Even, Miss Portugal was called in. Brazil was Portugal's bigest catch in their country's history more than the Philippines.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby sophocles » Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:53 am

Beta wrote:i think it plays a part, but very minimal.

although judges make the decisions at the end of the day, these ladies are being watched from the moment they put on their crowns by other powers that be.

bad luck? unless one is absolutely, positively deathly ill on competition day, there's no reason to choke to death and fail every tasks if you've been preparing to start with.

good luck? unless one sold their soul to the devil, there's no gift to magically transform into this golden girl with the midas touch if you haven't been preparing to start with.


This does not sound like you. Parang sinapian ka ng kaluluwa ni beautywatchnyc.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby poker_man » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:09 am

esperasave wrote:Miss Gloria Diaz could have gave the Philippines her second gift if only she didn't back out from the judging of the Miss Universe 2019. Let's see next year if the offer from Miss Universe Organization will still stand for her. She could have eliminated one Latina or African judge from the selection committee and placing one Asian contestant to the Top 3 with Gazinni since Riyo Mori was there. Riyo's vote didn't matter to put one Asian because she was alone. On the same hand, one American judge couldn't place a North American contestant to the Top 3 because she was also alone. It was the connivance of 2 Latinas and 3 African judges to put Latina and African contestant in the Top 3. Eventually, Miss South Africa won because at least all 3 African judges voted for her as the winner. While the 2 Latina judges were split to vote for Miss Mexico and Miss Puerto Rico.


LOL! Gazini will never win Miss Universe. She never even reached Top 10 with her opening statement, Thailand and Indonesia destroyed her easily, what makes you sure she will clinch the crown with three more Q&As? Just because there are Latinas or Asians there doesn't mean that they will immediately vote for Asians to advance. Lea Salonga herself didn't even vote for Shamcey Supsup as her 1st or 2nd choice for Miss Universe. Hindi naman sila ganun ka desperada. The only chance Gazini could have gotten that close is if it was held in the Philippines (Maxine Medina situation) or have 2 Pinoy judges on board.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby bloomfield » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:06 am

I think she’s telling the truth based on her experience. She wasn’t the most beautiful during her Miss Universe time, but she won. Apparently you “”have to be one to know one”” !!!!
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby AaronICK » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:41 pm

Luck, partly.

I do think the reason why Miss Universe is evolving into a new pageant who focuses more on "brain" over beauty is that they begin to realize that beauty is subjective. But intelligence is objective. What others see as beautiful may be plain for some, and vice versa. And it's harder to judge a person based on a subjective point of view. But a person's intelligence is always objective. And if a person is intelligent and witty, then he/she is intelligent and witty. And everyone will agree.

So while luck plays a part, so is performance.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby alexanderabelle » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:24 pm

Kumukutikutitap wrote:
Dreamboat wrote:When all is said and done and the new queen was crowned, many are still restless on why Ms South Africa won when she's not the prettiest, the tallest, the most beautiful.

Yes, she's smart but that should not be the the only basis and just one of the criteria. Is MUO really heading in this direction of brains over physical beauty or it's just pure 'LUCK?" Is there truth to what 1969 Ms Universe Gloria Diaz said that winning Miss Universe is 99% pure luck?

To qoute her, “Everybody has things to say but like I’ve always said, first of all you will not be there if you’re not beautiful, if you’re not smart, if you’re not tall or pretty. But I’ve told this over and over. It’s 99% luck. Everybody has an opinion why she did not win, whether the answer was good enough or not good enough. To some people it was smart, to some people it was kulang (not enough). But really it’s just luck at the end of the day,” she said.


Do you believe her?


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It was NOT luck. Didn’t we all know from the get-go that it was going to be a black woman?

The US media is now going gaga about the all-black court for this year: Teen USA, USA, America, and Universe. EXACTLY what the plan was! [-X


I expected that. So I didn’t have a bet for this year. Just wanted to see a good show, with beautiful candidates making it. Was sorely disappointed with everything.
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Postby alexanderabelle » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:30 pm

esperasave wrote:Miss Gloria Diaz could have gave the Philippines her second gift if only she didn't back out from the judging of the Miss Universe 2019. Let's see next year if the offer from Miss Universe Organization will still stand for her. She could have eliminated one Latina or African judge from the selection committee and placing one Asian contestant to the Top 3 with Gazinni since Riyo Mori was there. Riyo's vote didn't matter to put one Asian because she was alone. On the same hand, one American judge couldn't place a North American contestant to the Top 3 because she was also alone. It was the connivance of 2 Latinas and 3 African judges to put Latina and African contestant in the Top 3. Eventually, Miss South Africa won because at least all 3 African judges voted for her as the winner. While the 2 Latina judges were split to vote for Miss Mexico and Miss Puerto Rico.


While I don’t think that Gloria Diaz would have voted for Miss Philippines (didn’t she say before that she was against the whole “lack of delicadeza” thing?), the MUO really needs to do a better job at diversifying the judging panel, including not discriminating against men judging.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Beta » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:42 am

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Beta wrote:i think it plays a part, but very minimal.

although judges make the decisions at the end of the day, these ladies are being watched from the moment they put on their crowns by other powers that be.

bad luck? unless one is absolutely, positively deathly ill on competition day, there's no reason to choke to death and fail every tasks if you've been preparing to start with.

good luck? unless one sold their soul to the devil, there's no gift to magically transform into this golden girl with the midas touch if you haven't been preparing to start with.


This does not sound like you. Parang sinapian ka ng kaluluwa ni beautywatchnyc.


lmao!! I'm gonna blame it on the 3 cups of espresso I had that day hahahahah
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby Elle » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:28 am

I think Zozi is very beautiful.

Like she said, people who look like her were always just immediately considered not beautiful because for many many many years the media has told us that beautiful black women are the likes of Naomi Campbell, Beyonce (aka westernized black beauties). I am glad she won because now she's opening people's narrow perceptions of beauty.
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Re: WAS GLORIA DIAZ RIGHT??

Postby JamesCedricLim » Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:54 am

Even if Gloria accepted the offer to be the judge still her vote will not be enough to secure Philippines top 10 finish or top 5. because she will be a lone Asian judge, i think Riyo was just a last minute replacement to Gloria. MUO preferred Gloria to be part of the judging panel since she backed out they have to looked for another asian Miss Universe to be a judge, thats why Riyo was there. But since India and Thailand just had it recently so the closest was Japan. Just my two cents.

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